Indie iOS and watchOS developer “Underscore” David Smith joins John to discuss the current state of Apple Watch app development, and how SwiftUI is changing how watchOS apps are built. Also, managing and prioritizing multiple projects, Swift vs Objective-C, and whether SwiftUI is actually production-ready.

Kristina Fox, iOS and watchOS developer at Intuit, joins John to talk about Apple Watch development, building UI using storyboards vs in code, growing into a senior developer, and how to use change as a learning opportunity.